Curse

Trader of Secrets · Oct 28, 2009, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Leavers arent realli that big of a deal. If the team sucks and even if they are realli behind, they dont wanna wait around so they /resign, but the other ppl wont do it. Although i did have some guy use a followbot just to get some bal faction i bet.

QueenofDeath · Oct 28, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
Many people would call playing a video game as waste of time;

Bout the same as posting on forums and spilling your guts to strangers like they care. lololol

HuntMaster Avatar · Oct 28, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Bout the same as posting on forums and spilling your guts to strangers like they care. lololol

Or posting on forums to be a complete douchbag to people for no reason other than not having anything better to do.

Martin Alvito · Oct 28, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Since the point I'm making didn't seem to have come across very clearly, let me make another attempt. The whole thing works much like RA:

- Players don't like it when they get blown out. It's virtually impossible to turn around a 7-1 match. If the match got to that point, odds are it happened because your team is bad. Sticking around isn't going to change that 95% of the time, and you're just wasting your time.

- Still, you're constrained by the one ragequit per hour rule.

- It takes a while to find a decent team. Typically 4-7 joins. This is true regardless of whether or not you sync en masse.

- Players therefore only ragequit when the team is particularly bad (avoid drawing any of those idiots again), or on the first failed sync of the hour.

- If you're constantly having leavers, there's one common thread: you.

- Solution: play better. If you're decent, you'll get a decent team soon enough. If you're terrible, you're going to keep being the anchor that weighs your team down, and people will keep leaving in an effort to avoid getting paired with you again.

Even if you're good, you'll have strings where you keep getting paired with idiots, have leavers, and can't do anything about it. It's like RA; it's entirely possible to go an hour or two without getting paired with a single player with a clue. Doesn't happen all that often, and the times when you just enter and go on a long string tend to make up for that.

But for the most part, if you're dealing with leavers in CB constantly then you're not just bad. You're way out in the tail of the distribution of bad. If you want it to stop, you should do something about it.

You're welcome to play if you're bad. All I'm getting at is that there are consequences for being bad. It's not all that difficult to play Costume Brawl well. Grab a sin, learn how to win sin vs. sin consistently, avoid difficult 1v1s (Mesmer and Ranger), never accept an even fight, win matches.

shoyon456 · Oct 29, 2009, 01:37 AM // 01:37

To answer the OP:

Usually if a team can't at least hold their own in the beginning, its a noob team and you're saving time by leaving. They'll either loose the match, or if they happen to win they'll loose soon after. It's pretty easy to tell in the first five minutes how far a group will go. Admittedly, I've had some groups go further than expected.

Secondly, teams that don't see the importance of Center/BC will almost always loose. If I'm the only one running to BC while yelling for ppl to follow, then there's a problem and unless the team can recapture it within the next few mins or at least resist being rolled, I leave.

That's not for the one map with only three shrines. For that map I've found that since most groups are full of noobs, its better to mob the center and hold it. Most noobs just aren't that good at working as a team so brute strength is the way to go there.

headlesshobbs · Oct 29, 2009, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

It's virtually impossible to turn around a 7-1 match.

*coughs*

Bobby2 · Oct 29, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10

1. Pick any melee class
2. Rush Battle Cry shrine
3. Plow through opposition
4. Profit

qvtkc · Oct 29, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by Allamorph

If the ship-jumping bothers you (which it would bother me a bit), either make sure you're on a team with people you know want to play to the end or pug until you find those people. If that's impossible, there's not much you can do, and then you get to decide whether or not you still want to play the game in spite of potential bailers.

pug until you find those people? How the hell do you do that in costume brawl... it's random teams...

Aldo wants more · Oct 29, 2009, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I thought that cb was casual pvp.. why do some people take it so seriously? It's supposed to be a laugh. Even halloween can't escape the flame wars.. One thing is true it does take 4-7 joins before landing in a decent balanced team, the quitters aside i'm still spending an hour here and there inbetween tot farming and although difficult at times just managing to disregard the kill-joys.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 29, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Aldo wants more

I thought that cb was casual pvp.. why do some people take it so seriously?

This is echo'ed alot, but the fact is there's rewards and people want to win to get said rewards. Infact CB is the best event to get gamer points and (for me) the best money maker atm since 10 wins = 50 bags = 10k, + another 4-8k from z-keys

(my bad I don't have a sin for UWSC people)

qvtkc · Oct 29, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

It also gives fast Balthazar faction, at least compared to its closest cousin, RA.

Targren · Oct 29, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Still an exercise in pointlessness.

To paraphrase Mr. Jones: A player is smart. "The community" are dumb, panicky, 1v1-ing animals, and formats that mix you with them randomly just suck.

Martin Alvito · Oct 29, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

*coughs*

Sorry dude, but it's true. Doesn't matter how good you think you are...you can't win a Costume Brawl match alone. Every once in a while when you get way behind you have decent teammates that made a couple of errors, and can turn the match. But usually when the other team gets way up there's a reason for it.

There's little you can do individually to swing a blowout. You can turn 10-20 into 20-10 by saving teammates from themselves. But once you go down big and your team gets split up, decent resistance will just farm the split repeatedly.

headlesshobbs · Oct 29, 2009, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Well you're entitled to what you want to believe, but I've already done my fair share to save plenty of matches from becoming a complete blowout. Correct targeting and leadership makes all the difference.

Martin Alvito · Oct 29, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

The phrasing you use suggests that you didn't win. That only validates what I'm saying. The basic problem in CB is that you don't get rewarded (well) for losing a close match, and matches persist long after they are effectively decided. It may be more satisfying to lose 20-15 than 20-5, but you still didn't get any Gamer points.

Other than the faction you get for killing people, there's little point in trying when the rest of your team is just getting farmed. It's difficult to realize even that when you're at a permanent numerical disadvantage, because people quickly realize that you're the threat and farm you first.

headlesshobbs · Oct 29, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Well contrary to popular belief, we won those matches. You can live in doubt and continue your losing streak or step back a little and see how it's possible to change the flow of a match so you can keep those tot bags coming.

Martin Alvito · Oct 29, 2009, 07:48 PM // 19:48

You should say what you mean. And if you want me to believe that you aren't just trolling, you should share some of your "pro" tips to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about.

Note that I never stated that it's impossible to save a match. I stated that when you get paired with four new randoms and go down big early (the scenario you painted in the OP), attempting to salvage the match is almost always a waste of time.

Once you have a decent team, you can save matches against average resistance. Good resistance will finish you off if you go down big, but you only face that once every fifteen or twenty matches.

If your team is bad, even average players will farm whoever resurrects at the shrine multiple times before you can get in there and do something about it.

Allamorph · Oct 29, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

pug until you find those people? How the hell do you do that in costume brawl... it's random teams...

Very carefully. =D

Also lol drama.

Fril Estelin · Oct 29, 2009, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

If your team is bad

Martin, just look at how I "summarised" your post by quoting these 5 words (I misrepresented it on purpose, I'm sure you're getting my point). This is what people are doing: they're waiting a few minutes and leaving if things "smell" (=quick guesstimate/approximation) bad, thus precipitating the issue. People should give teams a chance (yes, I know there are bad players, but there are also good players who do not concentrate during one game then do it during the next game, and so many other possible cases) because it's supposed to be about fun, not how many Gamer points you're going to get.

I do understand the competitive mentality, but it should not be put so high above the fun of the community. By wanting your gain so much that you're going to precipitate the issue of many games, you're possibly removing the will from a few players to persevere and get better. What people see is leavers and them with one or two other players against a full team. Repeatedly. The conclusion is obvious: complain on Guru, go on for a few more games or quit and never come back (that is, if you're not clueless about your skill, but it may not matter if you're young for example).

Anyway, back to the fun (or sleep before!).

headlesshobbs · Oct 29, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Allamorph

Very carefully. =D

Also lol drama.

That is correct. Usually you could be with about 2-3 bad groups before you find a good team to run streaks with, but you have to keep them updated or they'll just continue playing horribly.